Dialogue: Assassination #10 (1971-09-02)

Mae Brussell Archive Show Notes

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Dialogue: Assassination #10 (1971-09-02) Show Notes

Main Subject(s): JFK assassination, Warren Commission.

Updated 5/8/15 - Updated links to some articles.

– Mae talks about taking a two week vacation and just how much work goes into following the news everyday. She mentions the backlog of material she has which takes over a month to go through. She mentions Computers And Automation Journal (check it out here). She talks about a few articles in the back issues of this magazine, topics include: the JFK assassination, the lawsuit of Theodore Charach against the Los Angeles Police Departmant (LAPD), Edward M. Davis (former LAPD police chief), Evelle J. Younger (former California Attorney General), and Robert Houghton (former LAPD Chief of Detectives) for covering up the RFK assassination, how many coincidences make a plot in a political assassination, and the Jim Garrison investigation of Clay Shaw.

– Mae talks about receiving 1,900 pages of material from the National Archives from David Lifton. She talks about her theory that Lee and Marina Oswald were agents of the U.S. in some capacity. She reads some of the new material from the National Archives, including the working memos of the Warren Commission lawyers (mention of J. Lee Rankin and Arlen Spectre). She notes that the commission lawyers made comments on these working memos, and then reads how the lawyers wondered if Marina Oswald was more than just a simple peasant girl. The comments reveal that Marina had refused to identify her supervisors in Minsk. Another comment mentions the fact that Marina could have been used to “recruit” Lee Oswald while he was “assigned” to Minsk.

– Regarding a question about Elya Soboleva, whose name appears in Marina’s diary but whom Marina claimed was not a friend, the commission lawyers commented in the working memos, that there may be some evidence that Lee was in Leningrad and that he may have known or met Elya. Mae goes on to show how John McVickar and Richard Snyder, top embassy officials (and also alleged intelligence agents,) who handled the Oswalds re-entry into the United States, testified under oath, that they never knew where Lee Oswald was while he was in the Soviet Union (USSR). She wonders how the lawyers in Washington D.C. could have known that Lee traveled to Leningrad but the U.S. embassy in Moscow didn’t. She reads another comment from the working memos that states that Lee must have used a phone at Marina’s uncle, Ilya Prusakov’s house in the USSR. She wonders how the Warren Commission lawyers could have known where Lee was and that he was using the phone at Prusakov’s house, in light of the previous testimony by top embassy officials that there was no trace of Lee Oswald for the 17 months he was in the USSR. She relates how Prusakov was an officer in the Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD) Secret Police, which is similar to our Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

– Mae talks about how Marina and Lee met and how they were married after only seeing each other for six days. She relates how none of Marina’s family came to the marriage ceremony. How there was no witness at Lee and Marina’s wedding. How Marina’s State Department political background form was not completed due to the urgency to get them home. How on the night that Lee and Marina first met, they went to the home of a lady who had just returned from the United States, and that there is no name or record of which state this woman had just returned from in the Warren Report (Mae wonders if she had come from Texas).

– Mae talks about hosting a meeting or rally in October 1971, where people who are interested in her research could write a letter to Congress about political assassinations and bring their replies to share.

– Mae recites a few anecdotes about listening to the news while on her vacation in Canada.  She touches on the tampered evidence in the RFK assassination, allegations of the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s (FBI) possible involvement in the Martin Luther King Jr. (MLK) assassination by Harold Weisberg and his book Frame Up, and the allegations of Gerogia Bea Jackson that the murder of her son, George Jackson, was a set up.

– Mae looks at an article in the New York Times (NYT) dated Aug. 1, 1971, titled “George Jackson Radicalizes the Brothers in Soledad and San Quentin” (read here). She looks at George Jackson’s views on the decline of civilization and violent revolution.  She relates how the JFK assassination and other political murders may be part of a wider plot to stifle changes in America which are necessary to prevent violent revolution.  She looks at the expulsion or extinguishing of black leaders in the United States and touches on several names: Bobby Seale, Huey Newton, David Hilliard, Fred Hampton, MLK, Whitney M. Young, Eldridge Cleaver, and H. Rap Brown.  Mae states that she feels that the murders of civil rights activists could not have happened without the political assassination of JFK.

– Mae reads from another NYT’s article by Tom Wicker, dated Aug. 24, 1971, titled “Death of a Brother” (read here).  She examines Wicker’s statements that Mrs. Jackson’s allegations of her sons murder being a “set up” should not be easily rejected, and that the authorities are not always blameless or truthful.  She contrasts that to NYT editor Harrison Salisbury’s introduction to the Warren Report, where he stated that people who questioned the authority of the Warren Commission were self-serving, sowing mistrust and confusion, and without scruples or principles.

– Mae mentions Bud Fensterwald’s Committee to Investigate Assassinations.  A brief biography of Fensterwald follows.  Mae mentions Evelyn Knight (can anybody find some info on this person?), a State Department official who says that the Department is riddled with murders, assassinations and coverups.  She looks at a copy of the Soviet published Sputnik Monthly Digest that Fensterwald had sent her which contains a series by Mikhail Sagatelyan on the JFK assassination (Dallas: Who? How? Why? from the June – July – August 1971 issues).

– Bud Fensterwald’s letter to Mae asks why are they Soviets writing about this now?  Mae notes how this is the first time in 7 years she has seen anything on the JFK assassination from the USSR.  Mae talks about how she feels that the Soviets could be keeping quiet about what they know of the political assassinations in the US for blackmail purposes.  How the Pentagon Papers could have been leaked as political blackmail. She expresses concern that the USSR may use what they know on the JFK assassination to blackmail the United States if the government continues to make overtures with China.  She remarks on the continued escalation of tensions on the Soviet-Chinese Border.  She notes how the TASS and RIANovosti news agencies came out with an article two days after the JFK assassination claiming that Oswald was an agent of the CIA (anybody have a source?).  Mae touches quickly on the plan of the Kennedy brothers to dump Lyndon B. Johnson in 1964 by tying him up in a scandal with Robert G. “Bobby” Baker.

– Mae reads from the July, 1971, Sputnik Digest article, Dallas: Who? How? Why?  The article touches on how Kennedy humiliated Johnson at the 1960 Democratic National Convention in Los Angeles by getting on the first ballot.  How John Connally was Johnson’s campaign manager and how he started the rumor that Kennedy had Addison’s disease.  Mae relates how after the assassination, members of right-wing groups trumpeted the theory that Kennedy set himself up to be killed in Dallas so he could die a hero, instead of succumbing to the fatal disease. The article goes on to detail how by 1963, Johnson was absent from almost all cabinet meetings and how rumors that Kennedy would drop Johnson began to surface.  How the press was used to drum up hype about the Bobby Baker scandal in September of 1963 which would be used to discredit Johnson, giving the Kennedy brothers a way to cut him loose.  Mae notes that the scandal was covered in detail in the LIFE Magazine issue of Nov. 8th, 1963 (read it here or here). How on October 4th, 1963, Connally, then Governor of Texas, was the one who suggested Kennedy and Johnson make a trip together to Dallas.  How Kennedy initially declined to take the trip to Dallas but was later talked into it by Johnson.

– Mae interrupts the article to point out how Ruth Paine made the call to help get Lee Harvey Oswald the job at the Texas School Book Depository and spoke to a man named Roy Truly (Warren Report, Vol. 3, pg. 32; Mae incorrectly states it is contained in Volume 2).  She notes that Truly was a known racist and hated John Kennedy, and yet he hired Oswald, an alleged Communist sympathizer, who started work on October 16th, 1963.  She points out that Oswald’s job moving boxes at the Texas School Book Depository was well beneath his skill set as he had excellent linguistics skills and experience with sensitive radar equipment and electronics.  Mae also points out how Oswald applied for a job as a “cargo handler” at the Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport around the same time (Warren Report, Vol. 10, pg. 132).  She speculates that if John Kennedy’s motorcade route was not changed to pass by the Texas School Book Depository, that Oswald could have been at the airport waiting for Kennedy.  She notes that there was a lot of debate about the motorcade route, that Winston G. Lawson, one of the US Secret Service men in Dallas,  testified that the motorcade route was discussed at a private meeting on November 18th that he was late to (Warren Report, Vol. 4, pg. 341).

– Mae wraps up the Sputnik article and talks about Johnson taking on the role of Vice President, a position supposedly less powerful than Senate majority leader.  Mae ties together the business of John Kennedy’s ploy to dump Lyndon Johnson with the rumors that Richard Nixon might attempt to cut loose Spiro Agnew.

– Mae states that John Connally should not even be suggested as Nixon’s Vice President because of his possible implications in the JFK assassination.  She talks about the Jim Garrison case and mentions that Sergio Arcacha Smith, head of the CIA-backed Cuban Democratic Revolutionary Front (FRD), who worked with David Ferrie, was not extradited to New Orleans by John Connally for the Clay Shaw trial.

– A few more books are added to Mae’s recommended reading list: Frame Up by Harold Weisberg, Heritage of Stone by Jim Garrison, Rush to Judgement by Mark Lane, and Accessories After the Fact by Sylvia Maegher. She also mentions Joachim Joesten’s newsletter.

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